The hard push for bringing casinos to Massachusetts has begun. There was a press conference today with union leaders and a few mayors touting the necessity of state-sanctioned gaming in the Bay State. "This is so important to the vitality and vibrancy of our cities and towns in Massachusetts," said Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino, according to Boston.com.
Suffolk Downs and several unions are funding a group called the Massachusetts Coalition for Jobs and Growth, but if -- as the group claims -- 80% of the people in this state support their goal, then why don't they call themselves the Massachusetts Coalition for Casino Gambling?
I've received more than one email asking me to publicize Monday evening's meeting of the Orient Heights Neighborhood Council. The meeting, which starts at 7 p.m. at the youth center at 58 Ashley Street, is about casino gambling and local elected officials are scheduled to be there.
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Mr.Mason it looks like it's all over now.
Mr. Mason? Who is that?
Joe Mason is the greatest thing to happen to East Boston since the sangwich. He is a little slice of heaven on earth. If he were not here, East Boston would be over run by night clubs, liquer stores, massport and the Lombardo family.
Mr.Anon @4:17..... You cant be serious. Joe is a good guy... However, you really believe he is god? That's why Anon @4:42 has no idea who he is..
WOW ,WOW;
I just clicked on this link by accident,and am shocked to see the above.
Now that I am here I must say ,in my short time blogging on Jimbos blog,I have come to understand that posts by ANON'S can be all from the same person.
Don't be afraid ,sign you name.
I am not God! I am a regular guy who gives a S_ _ t about East Boston.
A guy who knows that a Casino will be the Final Nail in our coffin.
A guy who see's the FORMER ,very recent FORMER east bostonians lining up to once again clean our clock . If you know me I call them THE OUTSIDERS.
A guy who knows they moved to Winthrop,and are on the LOBBBBBYISTS dream team to help another OUTSIDER, Mumbles Manino once again shove down our throats what he would never live near. As well as those recent birds who have flown the coop.
My Mom was always right !
MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
DON'T FORGET THE ORIENT HEIGHTS MEETING MONDAY NIGHT 2-25-08 ABOUT THE CASINO BEING HELD AT ST LAZARUS HALL 56 ASHLEY STREET EAST BOSTON 6:15.
I wonder how the property owners along McCleen Highway feel about the plans to widen it? They are planning to take peoples land by eminent domain for this.
I wonder how many Illegal Aliens ,with those Deval Patricks Licenses will be working there.
After all unbe known to most of you,last week the City Council including Sal ,took a unanimous vote ,and passed a law to declare Boston a Sanctuary City.
Get this "WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD OF DISCUSSION".Bill introduced,vote taken .
So much for the OPEN PUBLIC MEETING LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got to www.cityofboston.gov,and click on City Council minutes to meetings. There are none,just the statement I typed above. 1000000000000% TRUE.
Nice going Sal.
So PLEASE do not align me with God,because if there was a God people who complain would stop voting for MUMBLES,AND THE LIKE.
We would be better off if we were in Receivership,as Chelsea.
A CASINO = THE DEATH OF EAST BOSTON.
J.M.
Mr Mason.
I moved to EB in 2006 from Indiana and stop by here to get caught up from time to time. Not sure if I am also an "outsider." While I am undecided on the casino, you seem to know a lot about the issue and what it will do to our community - (eminent domain, crime, etc). Thank you for your posts.
Being front and center on the issue, I am interested to know a little more about your background in the community so I can understand your position better. For example do you live/work in East Boston, do you commute on Mclellan Highway to travel to work daily, do you or someone you know have a gambling addiction? Are you a researcher or a journalist? If not, what do you do for a living and where do you get your data?
I think we can better understand your position (and the position of others for or against) if we can have an idea of backgrounds.
As for me, I am 32, signle, renter, and a systems analyst with Bank of America. I have a BA from Northwestern and Masters from Boston College. I work in town and use the T to commute. I like East Boston's convenience to downtown and its mixed culture.
Hello Brian
NO YOU ARE NOT AN OUTSIDER,You said you live in Eagle Hill.A very nice HISTORICAL DISTRICT!
You are now an East Bostonian.
I am President of East Boston's Oldest,and Largest Civic Community group called the East Boston Land Use Council.
Its free to join.
go to www.eastboston.com ,click open the first link that says Land Use Council meetings.
Come any night to either join,or just listen.
Yes I use that Highway,and its a nightmare to a point where from 4p.m. to 7 p.m. you can not exit into Eastie or get a 150.00 ticket.
At times it can back up from Belle circle to the Airport.
I also participate in meetings of the Orient Heights Council,Jeffreies Point Council,and many other Community projects such as being on the design team (for free)to build the Y.M.C.A.,and the best park in Boston(the Bremen Street Park)>
I have been studing other Casinos that have opened ,and in EVERY single one Crime,of all kinds rises.,Also only the poorest of the poor gamble.
The rich just build them to screw communities like ours.
As far as those who have moved out ,I know them all for many years.They made it big off of Eastie development,and Politics,and are now about to clean our clock.
Your insurance will go up,and your property values will go down.
I found the City Council article in the Boston Herald,couldn't beleive it,so I just went to thier site,and there it was.
My knoledge comes from going to community meetings,and participating,unlike so many others who just sit home ,and complain.
Also if you stay on top of the site I listed above,and its community calender you will be well informed. DO NOT RELY ON THE EAST BOSTON TIMES FOR THIS INFORMATION.
You can also do as hundreds of us do ,and contact the Citys Board of Appeals(governs all building projects),and be added to a feree mailing list,plus the City of Bostons Licensing Board (governs all stores,bars ,liquor licenses)free,and do the same with the B.R.A. freeby calling 617-635-4170.
If you are new here its a good sign of people moving in,instead of moving out.
P.S.When you open the Link for our council ,it will give you our address for our meetings,as well as posted meeting dates for the next 6 months,plus a link to my e-mail site.
I also run a huge Non Profit Charitable wing that to date has given over 250,000.00 dollars in donations To East Boston Residents only.. You can also see this by going about 8 links below ours ,and click open "The Leonard Florence Memorial Trust link.
If you come to this Casino meeting,just ask someone to point me out,or send me an e-mail. I will keep it confidential at all times.
God Bless if you are a newcomer.
J.M.
If you are a Poser(don't be offended)these Anons make it hard to respond in a serious way,I have no time for it. My passion to help Eastie is a Family thing,my Mom did it for many yeas in whats known as the Baby Carrige Brigade to stop Logan from wiping us out.
Mr. Mason:
Thanks for the response. I will look into your group - you seem to know a lot about this neighborhood and have a lot to say. Also, I love the Bremen Street park - my friend has one of the community gardens there and it is a very nice park - I cut though on my way to Airport station. Also, is there any membership requirement for your group? Do you have to be elected?
I will be out of town on Monday for a funeral and will not be able to attend the casino meeting but would like to hear more about it when I return. You seem to have your mind made up as being against the concept based on your research - which must be pretty compelling. Is there anyway you could give us specific examples of the data you have uncovered? I think you mentioned you have been studying other Casinos that have opened. I would be interested in reading up on it - have any of your studies been published or covered by the media? Also, do you (or the moderator) know if there is someone I can contact that can give me the other side of the story or at least why the concept of a casino is being proposed here. We did not have one where I lived but I have been to Las Vegas and Foxwoods. I just like to get both perspectives on the issue before I make up my mind.
Thanks again for welcoming me - I hope I can become a productive member of this neighborhood.
Hello Brian
As I said the group is free to join for anyone who lives in Eastie.
The only cost is your time,and LOVE of Eastie,thats it.
To be the President,V.P.or Secretary you run for election .
The Grardens are awesome.Have you checked out the YMCA?
To me it was the best time I ever donated to Eastie,esp. fighting to be sure the City of Boston did not get to run it. Because it would look lkie Central Square park by now.
If you forward a blank email to us we will put you on our list at eblandusecouncil@aol.com
We must stick together here the OUTSIDERS are laughing at us all the way to the bank,and the Casino will be thier biggest deposit.
The Globe,Herald,Fox news is going to cover the Casino meeting.
My question is only going to be one to our Elected official who show up.
Mr. Basile ,Mr. Petrucelli,Mr. Lamattina ? Please give me a straight up YES,or NO !
Are you going to vote in favor of the casino,or are you going to protect the future of East Boston.
Just Yes,or No,PLEASE PLEASE No political responses like "well I don't have enough information,or lets wait,and see waaht they propose"
If they do that ,you should take it as a YES they are going to Vote YES for the Casino.
No room for Dancing Monday Night.
Its time for them to realize ,this is to me Like Custers Last Stand!!!!
J.M.
As a life-long East Boston resident, I really don't feel that the casino is right for us.
The most glaring reasons being A) the infrastructure won't bear it and B) the community has already suffered enough as a result of the fixtures that have been appended to it.
Recently, a commenter on this blog speculated how beneficial the casino COULD be IF there were caveats built into the plan that included giving millions to East Boston for education, revitalization, etc. Although that's a pretty nice sentiment, there is no way that will happen. The residents of East Boston haven't yet been compensated for having to deal with the airport and the three harbor tunnels.
Those of us who have lived here our entire lives and are raising our families here are not thrilled with the potential of living in the shadow of a casino. That may be because we want our children to aspire to be more than cocktail waitresses or blackjack dealers. Nor are we happy with the prospect of having every lowest common societal denominator using East Boston as a drive through.
Casinos, like airports, don't belong in residential neighborhoods.
I think anyone who says that a casino is a bad idea is no different than anyone who says its a good idea. To think that all our kids can be are cocktail waitresses or black jack dealers is dumb and ignorant. What you make of yourself is your own destiny. Remember, East Boston has produced many talented individuals - not just flight attendants and toll collectors!
I think the last comment misconstrues some of the previous posts. We are not saying that a casino at Suffolk Downs would turn all of our children into cocktail waitresses and blackjack dealers, but rather that a plan to bring a casino to the area that uses as one of its main arguments the bringing of jobs to the neighborhood assumes that all our children are capable of is those low-paying types of work.
Now now Jimbo, lets not editorialize what the poster said to suit your position. Althoug the jury is still out for me on whether a casino is a good idea or not, I dont let that cloud my judgment of what Eastie Girl was saying. She said "we want our children to aspire to be more than cocktail waitresses or blackjack dealers." So basically she is saying that if you build a casino, thats all our kiddos will want to be.
Saying that the presence of a casino would make them want to be nothing more than cocktail waitresses or blackjack dealers makes about as much sense as saying that the presence of the airport and tunnels make our children want to be taxi pool attendants or toll takers. What if the proposal were to be for a major hospital complex with the same traffic impacts? Does that mean we should support it because it will make our kids want to become doctors? No. Are there no doctors or engineers who grew up in Las Vegas or New Jersey? Isnt she saying that having a Burger King or McDonanlds in the neighborhood is really just the same thing? Give EB and the people who really come from the neighborhood some credit.
I think my point was pretty clear...if you want your children to aspire to be more, then so be it. Teach them and encourage them that they can be - if your kids want to be layabouts and lack direction then they will use/deal drugs, commit crimes, pretend like they are gangbangers and vandalize our neighborhood - and dont forget that already happens here WITHOUT A CASINO. Maybe some more employment oppurtunities are not that bad of an idea.
Sad to say but, I bet if you ask your elected officials there are many people who call regularly to see if they can get a job at the Port or the Pike - even though they are the first to complain about the traffic and noise.
1. I think I characterized the comments fairly.
2. Being that it is my blog I will editorialize all I want.
Anon at 10:42 - I think both yours and Jimbo's assessments of my comments have their merits.
To Jimbo's response, he is right on that my remark about our children aspiring to be "Cocktail waitresses and blackjack dealers" is in direct response to all of the fabulous jobs that casino supporters describe that will benefit the community. I guess I should have continued the list. There are also chamber maid positions, probably some valet jobs, I suppose bartender is a prospective career opportunity. Should I go on? I'm sure they'll need someone to sweep the parking lots - or even to wave those orange flags directing traffic into the parking lot. The reality is, as with any big business, there will only be a handful of corporate level or administrative, well paying job opportunities.
As to Annon's commentary, funny how you hone in on my one comment about wanting my child to aspire to be more than a cocktail waitress or blackjack dealer, when the items that topped my list were that the infrastructure won't bear it and we are all still suffering the fallout from having the airport and harbor tunnels foisted on us. Although you see fit to blast Jimbo for editorializing, AND have no problem referring to a complete stranger as dumb and ignorant, when you show clear signs of being illiterate is really very brazen! Even though it is a huge leap to even try to compare a medical facility to a casino - if the infrastructure won't bear it, it won't bear it - end of story. Incidentally, there are some types of medical research facilities that don't belong in residential areas either. Just ask the folks who live and work in the South End.
Even if all parents in East Boston were as engaged in the lives of their children as I am with my daughter's, the truth is that we are all a product of our environments and community. Even though my daughter is a very bright, intelligent and talented student at arguably the best public school in the country, she still has to live in this community and is to some degree a product of this community and the associations she makes within it. She and her friends can still fall prey to some of the societal dregs that are cruising through our neighborhoods on their way to or from drinking and gambling at the casino. I harbor no hopes that the proponents of the casino will offer any safeguards from those folks - as they along with the social security dependent population, will be their lifeblood.
Regarding those children whose parents, for whatever reason, are less engaged, they are already succumbing to some of the pitfalls you described: drug dealing, gang-banging, and the only seemingly less insidious lack of vision for their future. Should we just add another obstacle in their path? Chances are their parents are some of the many wonderful blue-collar people that make up the fabric of our community. Chances are, many of them work in the hospitality industry that requires them to work unconventional hours. Maybe although they love and want more for their children, they don't have the access to resources that will enable their children to get educations that will help them see beyond the blue collar possibilities. Perhaps having one job each doesn't pay the bills so they need to work two to three jobs a piece to pay the rent and as a result have to leave their children to their own devices.
Incidentally, for a very long time, while rasing my daughter I worked up to 80+ hours a week in a blue collar job, while my husband worked as a maintenance worker. So, I know of what I am speaking. Now that my work hours are a little more sane, I am channeling some of that extra time to give back to this community I love.
As for you to question whether or not I really come from the community - I was born and raised here!
Oh, I almost forgot to touch on Anon's merits - yeah, there are many folks from East Boston who aspire to be toll collectors - by your own statements you know that is true.
Also, I'm not sure if you have a teenage child who is looking for or in need of a job, but the opportunities are very limited. All that seems to exist locally are supermarket, fast food or babysitting opportunities. This is a very sore point with my daughter who is bright enough to know that she needs more.
i am all for gambling in massachusetts but I dont think we need to have a casino in East Boston. Even if we get one, its not gonna be the end of the world. I live up the heights and own my home (and yes pay RE taxes). But please spare us the "Chicken Little" antics Joe! The sky is not always falling like you make everything else out to be in this neighborhood. We have heard it all before from you and we get it you dont like trav, outsiders, etc. If your posts were not so personel maybe the little (very little) credibility you have might not be laughed at.
I appreciate Eastie Girl's thoughtful comments, and I agree with much of what she says. I especially think her sentiment that, "Casinos, like airports, don't belong in residential neighborhoods," is worth a detailed discussion, even as some of our politicians -- the mayor and the governor -- try to railroad legalized gambling into our state and a casino right into our neighborhood.
Mr. Mason:
As a former school teacher, per-cent means "from 100" - so saying anything is 1000000000% (a fact, the truth, whatever) does'nt make your point any more believeable. For every extra zero that you add to your "per cents", you tell us the multiple by which your education is that much more lacking.
Maybe you are the leader of the LUC - but last time I checked nobody elected you to speak for us. So please stop embarassing EB - people are laughing at us when you show up and act like you are the voice of the community. No wonder why nobody takes us seriously anymore!
So Jimbo - are you opposed to Massachusetts legalizing gambling or just a casino in EB or is it both?
I am opposed to legalized casino gambling in Massachusetts. While I think it is unnecessary and changes the complexion of the state, those are subjective opinions on my part. What is true for this issue as for many others is that a few people stand to make a great deal of money if gaming comes to our state, and when that happens issues that affect the quality of life for the average citizen -- jobs, pollution, traffic, etc. -- always get steamrolled. Look at how Massport caters to the airlines, hotels, rental car companies rather than the people who live around the airport.
Also, as I pointed out on this blog back in May, a state rep named Dan Bosley makes an argument on the web site Blue Mass Group that legalizing casinos in Massachusetts makes bad economic sense: http://www.bluemassgroup.com/
showDiary.do?diaryId=7433
Until someone successfully rebuts his points I think we're making a mistake to go forward with this.
Whether gambling becomes legal in the state or not, I am vehemently opposed to a casino at Suffolk Downs for the reasons stated above and those noted by Eastie Girl.
Thanks Jimbo for clarifying your position - I think its important to understand where the moderator of the posts stands.
I have been reading the posts and it looks like there is a healthy debate on the issue raging on here. That is good for EB I guess. Thank you Jimbo for your insights as well. Why do people seem to be picking on Mr. Mason? Is he not genuine in his passion on this issue? Tell me why we should not hear what he has to say. Am I missing something. Please fill me in - i dont know him like the rest of you do i guess.
Thanks for the support Jimbo. To answer Brian on Eagle Hill's question about why Mr. Mason is being attacked, I believe that the poster, unlike Joe, is not ready to stand behind what they say and put themselves out their the way he is. He consistently states his position and is genuine in his attempts to make East Boston a better place. I do agree with him to some degree about the commentary of anonymous posters carrying less weight. Although I may not personally agree with all of his positions and methodologies, he should be applauded for his steadfast stance and honesty.
Of course I know that by that reasoning, my comments carry less weight than his. So be it, as I can't say that I'm brave enough to make myself the object of so much venom.
Jimbo and Joe are against the casino because they would be even less heard from. They can't capitalize on it so they are against it! Right guys?
I love the nonsensical comments that come out of nowhere. I wish I knew what you meant so I could figure out how to respond.
O.K.
Now I have had it with this ANON person.GET SOME CANNOLLIS AND STATE YOUR NAME.
I HAVE RE READ ALL OF MY POSTS,AND SEE NOT A SINGLE WORD THAT I DO NOT LIKE TRAV.
FORMER SENAT5E PRES TRAV TO ME WAS THE GLUE THAT HELD EASTIE TOGETHER.
NOW ON A PERSONAL NOTE ABOUT MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT HIM.
ONE DAY I NEEDED HELP FOR A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD WHO IS AS INNOCENT AS IT GETS,AND I HAD NEVER EVER ,NEVER EVER CALLED HIM,OR ANY POLITICIAN FOR ANYTHING.
I EXPLAINED THE SITUATION TO HIM,AND HIS AWESOME STAFF.
IT TOOK HIM ALL BUT 10 SECONDS TO NOT ONLY TAKE MY CALL,BUT TO STEP IN ,AND HELP.
BECAUSE OF HIS FRIENDSHIP,AND KINDNESS ,THAT LITTLE GIRL HAS A FIGHTING CHANCE TO HAVE A GREAT LIFE.
""SHE JUST GOT HER SECOND STRAIGHT A REPORTCARD,AND CONSTANTLY THANKS HIM,AND DESPITE HER DISABILITEIES IS IN THE TOP TEN IN HER HIGH SCHOOLS MCAS TEASTS FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS"" .
SO MR./MRS ANON GET A LIFE,BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE.
ITS THAT KIND OF CARING,AND COMPASSION THAT SEPERATES HIM FROM THE REST.
I WILL FOREVER LOVE THAT GUY,AND CALL HIM MY FRIEND.
HOW DO I KNOW THIS FOR SURE YOU ILL INFORMED ANON POSER POSTER.
""THAT CHILD IS MY DAUGHTER"".
I WONDER HOW YOU,AND YOUR MUD SLINGERS FEEL NOW.
YOU SEE JIMBO WHY LETTING ANONS POST DOES A GREAT DISSERVICE TO YOUR BLOG.
TO THE OTHER PERSON ABOUT THE 100000000% ,DUH ITS ONLY A FIGURE OF SPEACH.
THEY DETRACT FROM STAYING ON THE ACTUAL POINT OF THE SUBJECT. AGAIN HURTING THE GOOD WORK YOU DO .
ONE FINAL THING MR./MRS. ANON ATTACK MY KID,AND WE WILL BE MEETING QUICKLY.
JIMBO,AT SOME POINT YOU NEED TO STIOP THIS ANON,AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE THEY ARE PUTTING YOU AT SEVERE RISK.
SIGNED
A FOREVER FAN OF TRAV,JAQUIE,KAREN B.
NOT THAT YOU WOULD APOLOGIZE MR. /MRS. ANON BUT ONE IS DUE.
LIKE I SAID GET SOME CANOLLIS,AND SIGN YOUR NAME.
ONE FINAL NOTE ;
I FORGOT TO MENTION TO ALL ANONS,GOOD,OR BAD,AND JIMBO.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING ANONYMOUS WHEN YOU POST ON ANY BLOG..
YOU ARE NEVER TRULY ANONYMOUS.
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JIMBO,I TRULY THINK,AND WISH YOU WOULD PUT A LEGAL DISCLAIMER TO THE ANONS.
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ANYONE CAN GET AT YOUR I.P ADDRESS,AND FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE WITH A SIMPLE SUBPONEA.
WHAT A SHAME THAT HE/SHE HAS NO CANNOLLIS!
STATEING THAT "WE HAVE HEAERD IT ALL BEFORE FROM YOU ,AND GET IT YOU DONT LIKE TRAV".
YOU SPOKE FOR "WE",AND YOU SPOKE AS A FACT ABOUT MY FEELINGS ABOUT TRAV".
IN THE LEGAL WORLD ITS CALLED DEFAMATION,AND SLANDER.
MAYBE I SHOULD MAKE YOU PROVE WHO "WE IS,AND PROVE YOU KNOW I DO NOT LIKE TRAV"?
YOUR COMMENTS SHOW BITTERNESS,AND HATRED TOWARDS ME,YET NO CANNOLLIS TO STATE YOUR REAL NAME.
"IN MY OPINION YOU WOULD LOOOOOOSE BIG TIMe!!!!
WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
J.M.
Ok Eastie Girl, Brian and others:
Need I say anymore about Mr. Mason!? I think he has said it all himself in his latest posts. I think it is plain to see why we prefer to post anonymously. Joe deals in lawsuits, IP subpoenas, anger, and flaming you when you express your opinion - as opposed to logic or respectful disagreement.
And "for the record" Joe nobody said anything about your "daughter". Who even knew you had one? Get over it.
P.S.
I know how much you like "P.S.'s" Joe, so I have included your quotes about trav posted on the "Godzilla to Step on Us Again" thread from 2/20/08 at 12:00 am.
You said:
"I am sadly disappointed in Mr. Rober Travaglini who is selling us out ,and all for the sake of money. Another example of the Outsiders."
"What a shame we supported guys like Trav for decades,and he turned out to be a turn coat."
To me, it sounds like you are grinding an axe.
P.S.S. -
Save the subpoenas for someone who cares. Nobody defamed you any more than you defame anyone you disagree with.
Joe:
Isnt a Blog all about exchanging ideas and from time to time expressing a disagreement or two in a respectul anonymous manner? Jimbo little help here...
So why is it when someone disagrees with you, you fly off the deep end (e.g. see ALL CAPS in last posts along with subpoena references)? Please clarify for us why you getting all worked up helps make this Blog any better for the rest of us who want to come here and talk? (By the way, those are rhetorical questions and dont require an answer - but something tells me I am going to get an even more bizzare response)
I really did not find Uponthehill's comments to be all that offensive. Looks like he/she was simply expressing an observation about you (which is really no different than what you do on a regular basis).
I dont think anbody is threatening you, your daughter, family, putting words in your mouth, defaming you, whoever, whatever - in the real world, we call this "having a discussion" or "the exchange of ideas". You see, on this planet everyone does not have to agree with you or your tactics. Not sure how they handle it where you come from. If you cant handle a little disagreement without threatening a lawsuit, maybe Blogging is not the best thing for you.
So here is my advice to you (no charge):
a. try taking some time off from your busy schedule. You seem to be overworked and stressed out. Maybe a vacation is what you need. Pokonos? A cruise to nowhere?
b. No time to travel? Take up Soduko, Yoga or try curling up to nice book - Borders is having a bestseller sale - 2 for 1.
c. last but not least, stop blowing up everyone who does not agree with you! Suing us or giving us subpoenas because we express our opinions is silly and it has become old and tired. Who are you the Bush administration?
Thanks and happy blogging.
P.S. When you told Anon he/she should get some "Cannollis" should they get Ricotta or Cream? With or without powedered sugar? From Spinelli's or Toretta's? Personally, I like the ricotta from Spinelli's. Anyone else? (That was tongue in cheek Joe! you are supposed to laugh)
To Brian from Eagle Hill,
See Mr Mason's postings as to why he isn't taken seriously. And wait for him to assert that this comment in some way alludes to race or racism, as he usually does when I comment. He may also imply that I'm an outsider, despite the fact that I've been here for about 4 years because I use my blogging handle here. As you can see, his MO is ad hominem attack rather than reasoned discourse.
For my part, I agree with Eastie Girl's rationale for why a casino is not a good idea for this neighborhood. My husband drives past Suffolk Downs on Rt. 1A every day he goes to work and I can't imagine what his commute would be like if there was a casino there. We would have to move to Chelsea or other towns north because the traffic would simply not be worth the hassle.
One of the most important demographic trends for East Boston, according to the census, is the increased presence of adolescents in this neighborhood. This creates an important need: teen jobs. Specifically summer jobs and there is a serious lack of summer jobs available for teens. The city doesn't put enough money in to it and the neighborhood doesn't support enough of the kind of commerce that employs teens. Even places that would traditionally employ teens, like fast food restaurants, are turning to the elderly for staff because frankly, they make better employees and they are increasingly in need of employment.
Finally, Eastie Girl and others are right to question whether any goodies could be gotten out of any casino built. I've been involved in these kinds of negotiations before in other cities and towns. If East Boston were its own town, like Chelsea, getting community benefits out of a developer and owner would be easier. But we are a part of the city of Boston. Even outside any conspiracies one might hatch around Menino taking money dedicated to East Boston, legally it is very difficult to craft enforceable community benefits agreements that target specific neighborhoods in Boston. It's not impossible, but since there are really several sub-communities (geographic and demographic) in East Boston, each with their own needs and voice, I wouldn't bet on it.
If you are interested in the impacts of casino development, you can simply Google "casino development social impacts" (without the quotes) and you'll find all manner of reports on the subject. My understanding is that overall, there may be modest positive economic impacts but the social impacts are predictable and generally negative.
And for the record, I have family that have lived in Las Vegas for many decades. Casino jobs are, in my view, a trap. Not a single member of this side of the family who stayed were able to move out of the casino jobs. The only members of this side of the family who have been able to buy a home were the ones who left Las Vegas. None of their children went to college. The casinos have not provided the kind of revenue for basic public services, like good schools, that you might expect from these multi-trillion dollar ventures.
I won't be at the meeting tonight but I hope to hear that the community comes out forcefully against this proposal. I do not see why a family oriented entertainment venue could not be developed at Suffolk Downs.
Setting aside whether EB is the right place for a casino, you can not overlook the fact that the presence of casinos in las vegas make it unnecessary for its residents to pay state income tax or exorbinant real estate taxes. They are supplemented by tax revenues generated from casinos and tourism. Not that I expect that to happen here but a lesser tax burden is a product of having legalized gambling. Face it, we already have legalized gambling (keno, lottery, scratch tickets) and it aint too far a drive to Foxwoods. Having casinos will only keep the money here instead of giving it to Conneticut.
OK, we need to refrain from attacks that veer off from critiquing ideas to getting personal. I don't like to censor and delete comments, but I'd rather do that than get posts, emails and phone calls complaining that I let negative comments get posted. Let's stay on topic.
Oh, I see how it works here. Joe Mason criticizes anybody he wants because they may not be on the same side of an issue or because he has a personal axe to grind but when people have an axe to grind with Joe Mason, the post gets "moderated." His comments have been on topic?
We understand Jimbo, I would not want to listen to Joe Mason's "emails and phone calls" either or deal with foolish antics about subpoenas and lawsuits that I am sure you have recieved. You are right, who has the time.
But please dont cave in to him - you only empower his bully tactics. If they are not offensive or threatening, then you should post all comments - especially when Joe has put himself out there as the cheif critic on the issue while taking personal shots at elected officials, newspapers, residents and so many others on this Blog.
Those who know him and those who dont should be able to candidly evaluate the weight of his comments.
(I would like to get back to discussing the casino issue and this will be Last off topic post - but I ask that out of fairness and in light of the latitude you have extended any number of Mr. Mason's rants you do the same here and post this comment).
Regarding the comments of n.starluna: Semantically, I'm glad she changed "goodies" to "community benefits." As a community, we need to stayed focused on obtaining all the facts we can about this important issue. If, at some point, any city or town in the Commonwealth is chosen for a casino site, then it will be important for the elected officials from those areas to craft a mitigation agreement that will guarantee direct benefits for those most impacted. Here in East Boston, we already have a valid mechanism by which we could ensure that any mitigation funds would remain here and not be turned over to the general coffers of the City of Boston. The East Boston Foundation would appear to be ideally suited as a depository for any funds earmarked for East Boston by developers or business entities. Again, though, we are getting ahead of ourselves about benefits of a project that hasn't been totally vetted.
I'm not convinced that casinos would provide the kind of revenue for the state that would result in meaningful reductions in the state income tax or property taxes. There are five states that have no state income tax, but they make up for it by taxing other things. Florida has a fairly high consumption taxes (different types of sales taxes). Alaska relies on its natural resources for its revenue - something that is not responsibly sustainable in the long term. Texas simply goes without many of the infrastructure and social supports (like good schools and paved roads) that we have come to expect here in Massachusetts.
The infrastructure and social needs (and shortfalls) for Massachusetts are so high, I'm not sure that three casinos, even if "appropriately" sited would make that much of a difference in the long term - especially considering the tradeoffs.
It also leaves open the ethical question of relying on a vice for maintaining the general welfare. There is a lot of debate in public health about the use of cigarette taxes to fund health programs. These taxes have been shown to be effective in reducing cigarette use - a public health goal - but only up to a point. When health programs become dependent on cigarette taxes (as what happened with the tobacco company settlement) we end up in an almost intractable and contradictory situation of relying on the very vice that creates the problem that we want to avoid.
Are we creating the same monster with casinos? Are there other ways to fund our general welfare without relying so heavily on a single industry?
to n.starluna @ 1:52 pm
I agree with you to a point..I am not so sure that licensing 3 casinos will have the same impact as Nevada or other states. But it certainly will avoid the alternative - raising my income or property taxes to make up budgetary shortfalls and needs in this state. True, Casino licensing is not the only answer, but it should not be ruled out and definitely considered as a potential revenue source - especially when we are losing that revenue potential to Conn.
As for relying on a vice for social welfare - you either support legalized gambling or you dont. But if you dont support it you must consider the reality that our neighbor to the south does and there is nothing illegal about Mass residents spending their money there. Besides as for the "taxing the poor" argument to support our state's welfare, dont we already do that? Why does legalizing casino gambling makes it any worse? You can go to any corner store and "gamble" on Keno, numbers, scratch tickets, etc. Without the State Lottery, we would have a dramatic reduction in contributions to local aid.
The sad reality is that people who want to gamble will do so (legally or illegally). Many of those who want to do it legally go to foxwoods or mohegan or elsewhere - the only difference is that Massachusetts sees no benefit. The money is still being spent - just not here.
In regards to taking a break from my busy schedule,and taking a vaction ,I would like to say this:
I would LOVE to take a vacation ,however with my busy schedule of taking over 120 pills a week ,going to chemotherapy ,and having to sleep tied to an Oxygen machine at night to sleep.
Its rather hard to do.Don't you think so.
In between all that I try to keep my sanity by getting out,and trying to help Eastie.
Doctors call it medicine for the mind,I call it an escape.
So to the Anons,and people like Star you have no clue about me,or what drives me.
However there is a distinct difference between us. I am proud of my name,and the work I have tried to do for Eastie.
I sign my posts !
Have a nice day !
Joe M.
To Joe Mason:
Im glad you have shared with us what keeps you going - although that may have been too much info! I suppose you are feeling better as I saw you at the OHNC meeting on the Casino last evening.
Speaking of which, you were pretty fired up yesterday and stated as follows (2/24/08 at 11:56pm):
"YOU SEE JIMBO WHY LETTING ANONS POST DOES A GREAT DISSERVICE TO YOUR BLOG."
"JIMBO,AT SOME POINT YOU NEED TO STIOP THIS ANON,AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE THEY ARE PUTTING YOU AT SEVERE RISK."
And today you say "I sign my posts" (See 2/26/08 at 7:36 am)
Oh really?
While I think that "you doth protest too much" I am afraid that your claim that you "sign [your] posts" requires a little clarification.
The truth is - not always.
So while flaming those who post anonymously as being afraid to sign their name and complaining to Jimbo that we have to get rid of the Anon's - let me ask you, why is it ok for you to post Anon on several very recent occasions.
Now its time for you to look in your Merriam Webster dictionary after the word "homophobic" but before the word "illegal" (as in alien), you will find the term "hypocrite."
Seems like there are some compelling assertions that you yourself have posted Anon on at least 3 recent threads on this Blog - who knows if there are others.
In fairness to those who wish to see for themselves, please see posts by:
"Farmer in the Del'" post (Under "Where's the Beef") posted at 5:55 pm on 2/25
"Ted K (D-Mass)" post (Under "The Battle Rages On") posted at 6:43 on 2/25
"Joe's Little Helper" post ("Under Obama is the Better Choice") posted at 6:48 on 2/25
Apparently, it seems you forget to get the Cannoli's?
(Jimbo, seeing that you have allowed yet another off point post for Mr. Mason - in which he clearly asserts that he signs his posts, it is only fair to include this non offensive and non threatening rebuttal - I promise to have an on point remark about last night's meeting shortly which was very well attended)
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Joe Mason is Great!
To the last poster, I dont get it...
I was at the meeting last night and thought it was pretty well attended with some good questions - (even one from Joe Mason). Basically our Rep. and Senator have taken really no position on haiving a casino at Suffolk Downs and want to hear from the community on this. Suffolk Downs has not shown anyone what their plan is to build a casino. I thought Petroceli did a good job and did not realize that the state has to vote on this first. I thought it was a done deal.
We did not hear anyone from Suffolk Downs speak. Not sure if they were they even there.
All in all - the meeting did not get much accomplished other than explain what might happen - which was kind of dissapointing. I was hoping for more information.
I want to know how they will guarantee traffic will not be using our streets to get to the casino - I sit at the lights on Boardman for 10 minutes in the morning now. And how is this going to effect people who live on Waldemar Ave?
I think the Casino will be a great addition to this community. It will provide jobs, revenue and a source of entertainment in our on back yard. As far as transportation goes, why would a developer build a beuatiful complex that people can't get to. Money talks and I am sure they could figure out a way to get people there as smoothly as possible.
Not so fast anonymous. I think there are a lot of questions still unanswered. Whats the rush to jump into this? Look at Massport - their goals dont seem to worry about us and the traffic problems they create - lets hope if the owners are thinking about a casino they at least will think of the community first and their bottom line second.
O.K.
So now we are tossing around the Homophobic word.Get a life!
QUICKIE;I click on the anon box because its easier,but again unlike ALL anons I sign my name;so the challenge of me posting ANON is meaningless.
As far as me,and Jimbo being against the Casino,I can only speak for myself.
YES !I am against a Full Blown Casino because it will be "In my opinion lights out" for Eastie as you know it.
I will never support putting two gallons of water in a gallon jug. It just does not fit.
I will also never support the taking of "Private Citizens land by force" for the sake of the Casino,or the outsiders.
AND;I will bet that no one on this blog would like it ,lets say if the property was YOURS ,and was in your family for generations.
I AM however ,and have stated so in the Globe,and Hearld to a smaller form of Legalized Gambling with the Slot Machine Idea for Suffolk,with a nice concert hall to attract big acts.
Thats more realistic,and would be less intrusive to Eastie,and Revere.
People have forgotten that that 400 acres in Mashpee is already set,and would be a great spot becuse its in the middle of nowhere.
Jimbo;
Isn/t it possible to like to gamble,and still not want a Casino that will ,1-increase crime ,2-increase polution,and 3-drive down property values??
I played the Lottery last night! Not a big fan ,but do not hate it.
Theres a time,and place for it,NOWS NOT THE TIME,AND EASTIE IS NOT THE PLACE!!!!
You got to let go of the HATE,and look past Joe Mason.I am only one person.
Signed under Anon ;
Joe M.
Mr. Mason:
Basically you tell us nothing in your post.
First, how did we know that you would make it a point to comment on the homophobic reference...nobody is throwing that word around just telling you to look up the word "hypocrite" and trying to make it easy for you to find it.
Second, my apologies...It must just be a coincidence that you dont sign your name when you are bashing what you fondly refer to as "illegal aliens" and others.
Third, can I ask what in the hell you are talking about when you say that you dont support taking "Private Citizens land by force". Where did you even hear someone talking about that - Paul Revere's house or was it at the monthly Minuteman's meeting?
Unless the 5th amendment has been repealed since my last post, I think our forefathers got the taking "private property by force" issue covered for us. What do you think this is the Louisiana Purchase? Its no wonder why you are so stressed trying to save East Boston! You are like Austin Powers getting caught up on history after being frozen for 30 years.
Fourth, what stats are you looking at that says that a casino will increase crime, pollution and drive down property value? Not saying I would disagree with the stats but based on the above posts, I am not sure that relying on you as the source for this information is a good idea.
O.K AND FOR THE LAST TIME;
1-I HAVE NEVER NOT SIGNED A POST ON JIMBOS BLOG
2- Property owners along the highway are being approached about selling land.
3-rd They are already doing it to the Trailer Park next door(now stay positive)
They hired an enormous law firm to defend them,It was a full page story in the Herald,and I know one of the attys,Mr.Joseph Feaster ,who was the head of the Citys Board of Appeals.
4- Do you think they are going to take out a full page ad,and tell the people about Eminent Domain takings?
If you are a new resident Googe WOOD ISLAND PARK ,the government took it away from us for the expansion of Logan. So its a proven fact,not again a Joe Mason thing.
Again get past me,its real,and its happening now!
Wood Island Park was the most awesome welands park,filled with nature ,places for the public to enjoy,but when push came to shove ,big brother saw big bucks,and Eastbostonians voices of objections were ignored.
At the Heights Casino meeting they even mentioned adding to lanes to each side of McClellan.
How can you do that if most "PRIVATE CITIZENS "own the land,and thier property lines are within 3-10 feet from the roadway?
As far as studies go just Google.MSNBC just days ago showed one about Atlantic City,and how it destroyed the surrounding community. I was shocked!
So PLEASE if you care about this,PLEASE get past Joe Mason.
Everything,including the taking of land is in the actual language.
So PLEASE just respond as if it was your property. How would you feel.
FRIENDS OF EAST BOSTON KNOW HOW WE GOT SCREWED LOOOOOSING WOOD ISLAND PARK.
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Hey Jimbo maybe you should do a blog on the WOOD ISLAND ROBBERY .
Because although they do not want to hear it from me,you,and I know as lifers it happened,and can,and will happen again.
Joe M.
It's nobody's busines if Trav moves to Winthrop. He was the Senator fo Winthop for years and could've left at any time. His wife wanted an ocean view and they looked on Bayswater. It's NOBODY'S business if he moves & he has nothing to do with casinos. Maybe he's sick of people coming to his house and knocking at 11PM begging for stuff.
Hey Joe:
You are not even old enough to remember Wood Island park - cut the baloney.
Mason:
So in your view (assuming your stories are even true) people buying land and eminent domain are the same thing now?
O.K
One more time.
To the Anon poster who said I am not old enough to remember Wood Island Park.
Your statement proves a few things.
1- You have no clue who I am.
2- You have no clue how old I am,but thanks for making me much younger in your head.
3-I used to go to picnics with my family,and can still remember catching a grass hoppers.
4- My family took many picures of us there,and I still have them,it was an awesome place.
NUFF SAID TO YOU .
Man yuo got to get past the hate!
To the Anon poster after you,if not the same.
I think you misunderstood.
If the Government,or Suffolk came to the property owners,and the property owners felt it was a good deal,they sell just like any outher purchase,and sale.Thats thier right.
However;
If they come to you,and you do not like the offer,or simply do not want to sell,then they can file to take it by eminent domain.
I apologize if I didn't word it correctly.
The Government did that to Wood Island Park to help expand Logan.
I hope this clears things up. Yes you are correct there is a Private sale if the price is right,but also the eminent domain taking that is allowed by law.
Have a nice day.
J.M.
P.S. The Wood Island taking is a Public record,and a Public disgrace.
Jimbo...if i did not know any better, I would think that you moderated my post from last evening - shall i resubmit it or was it too overly critical of Mason? Just checking?
I don't want to moderate a series of back-and-forth insults. I'd like to think that most of us are above that, but I can see from the comments that this is not the case. I will delete comments that are personal, but sometimes I make a judgment if a post has some pertinent thoughts.
Those who want to engage in namecalling, start your own blog.
Here we go again. Why the double standard Jimbo? Your friend Joe Mason seems to always get the last word (on or off topic)- we point out some well thought out inaccuracies in his commentary or make valid and supported observations and low and behold we get moderated. (note: we are pointing out that it is not always what he says but sometimes how he says it too!)
Jimbo, dont you know by now that he is the leader of East Boston's largest civic organization and knows everything about every issue that is threatening our very future and survival - just ask him he will tell you! So when he speaks on here why would you not want to give us a similar platform to challenge the validity and veracity of his often unsubstantiated comments for those who might actually (gulp) believe what he says. Seems fair - no?
The correct answer is not to tell us to start our own blog - but to tell Joe Mason to stop telling you what to do.
Jimbo:
I spoke to some of my other friends who post here and it seems that you are now moderating all posts that are critical of Joe Mason. Want to tell us why?
Trav, sold Eastie and everyone knows. If he truly loved eastie he would have stayed.
Look into how he and Massport made deals that were bed for us!
By the way Gus Serra made Trav and everyone knows that!
In response to posts left today at 9:58 a.m. and 10:49 a.m.: I've never actually met Joe Mason, and I am unconcerned with any threats he may have made. I am trying to spare readers from a litany of pointless, immature comments on the same subject. The gist of them has been said again and again. Let's move on.
Jimbo:
Amen. I will get back to posting on the issue as long as Joe stops with the back and forth, being over sensitive with his posts and just stays on topic. Truce.
One of my concerns about the focus on casino development is that it smells like a fad to me. In the 1980s through the 1990s sports stadiums were thought to be the panacea for revenue shortfalls. In the late 1980s/early 1990s many cities built aquariums in the hopes of attracting the almighty tourist dollar. Later in the 1990s it was convention centers. In the end, most of these projects ended up either failing miserably or not being the big revenue generator that was hoped. Almost none replaced the lost revenue cities experienced from deindustrialization and a changing economy. These projects did contribute to many a masters thesis and doctoral dissertation in economics.
It's fair to ask the question whether casinos would be a good for the state's bottom line. But, as a resident, my primary concern is whether a casino is appropriate for Suffolk Downs. If we get stuck on thinking only in terms of a casino, we miss the opportunity put a more appropriate (in my view) development there.
Besides a casino, is there anything else that would be appropriate for Suffolk Downs?
Would something more like the entertainment complex in the old Sears building near Fenway be appropriate? Would it create similar traffic problems? If so, would the tradeoff be worth it?
Casino gambling will come to Massachusetts whether we like it or not. The state legislature has no say in the matter because the federal government wil allow the tribes to develop casinos on land they own, e.g. Middleborough. If the state decides to allow gambling, then we can negotiate revenues and generate leverage by offering licenses to private developers, e.g. Suffolk Downs. At issue is whether a casino makes sense at Suffolk Downs.
Of course not. A casino will only detract from our community and will add nothing.
It was just announced today that Liberty Mutual is hiring 300 people in Springfield, MA. Fidelity is hiring 2,000 people in North Carolina. A mixed use, office, hotel and residential development that highlights and respects Belle Isle Marsh would be a much better use of that land. Similar to what's being developed in the Seaport district.
Please note that there is a proposal to move City Hall to the Seaport district as well. So Eastie loses access to City Hall but gains a casino? Dumped on again.
Also, the suggested total annual revenue to the state will be ~$500 million. This represents less than 2% of the state's budget.
The topic of this Blog is about Menino,and a Casino.
Its not about Joe Mason,or the L.U.C.!
Yet each time I come on this Blog,all I read is his comments not being liked.
It appears to me to be more about people simply not liking him as a person.
Although I have never met him in person,both he,and the L.U.C. has helped me pay for my daughter to go to colledge.
In my opinion if you want to speak Ill of him maybee you should just go to his meetings ,and tell him to his face since none of you sign your posts.At least he does,even after all the attacks.
When we send in our requests for a Grant for tuition,I get a letter asking me to NOT send him ,or the L.U.C. a Thank You ,but to send it to the estate of the man who gives them the money.
There is no reason to turn a Casino debate ,or any other debate on this Blog to a Joe Mason thing.
Thank You Joe for helping my daughter.
But I support a Casino !
To anon @ 6:32 pm 2/29.
I too agree that this dicussion is about Menino and the Casino.
By the way, that was a very touching story about Joe and his generosity (excuse me, I mean the generosity of Lenny Florence) - also nice of you to stay on topic!
But seeing that your unmoderated comments did not - it only seems fair that a short rebuttal is in order, Jimbo.
Its not that we dont like Joe Mason personally or are afraid to sign our names. Instead, we are trying to engage in a civil debate on issues in the community. Often, Joe injects himself into the discussion - which is his right as a red blooded american.
However, as the LUC President and leader of the largest civic comminity organization in EB (his words), he has made certain points on this site that some of us , in OUR opinion, find to be quite ridiculous - especially when it comes from someone who believes he has the platform of a community organization.
Since you say you never met Joe, allow me to provide my opinion of who he is.
As with any civilized debate, it is only fair for us to be able to disagree with his comments or criticize them. However, when we attempt to challenge his comments, we are usually cyber-accosted by Joe and he either whines to Jimbo for us to stop bothering him or makes you feel that he is going to find you and either sue you or the like (see the many sublte threats of him finding out who we are, IP addresses, meeting us face to face, subpoenas, stalker accusations, etc.)- Hence the anonymity. We are here to debate ideas not to field relentless phone calls, emails, and letters from Joe.
He is kind of like that kid in the sand box that throws sand at everyone and when he gets some thrown back at him, he goes and tells the monitor to have you removed from play time.
I could not agree more that the casino issue is an important one for EB - There needs to be a civilized and rational discussion of this and all of the issues that may have an impact on EB's quality of life - which seems to be well on its way on the Hubster. But like anything else in this community, there does not need to be hysteria, ad-hominem attacks and baseless innuendos made for the sole reason of bringing down the credibility of one side or the other - which, in our opinion, Joe often engages in and which detracts from the real debate.
While we all have our opinions (and I have mine), we should be dealing in facts not fantasy and personal attacks. You will note that the criticisms of Joe Mason's comments have not been about him personally but about the comments themselves.
Lastly, welcome to the discussion but lets cool it with doling out points for signing names - there are a number of occasions on here that have been called out which have been clearly authored by Joe and where he did not sign his own name - that issue has already been put to rest lets not rehash it - he is just as guilty.
truthbetold
Jimbo, come on...
truthbetold posted something this morning and emailed me a copy - why are you not posting it? It was a direct response to the last poster who tlaked about his/her daughter's scholarship (which was off topic) and accused many of us of not liking joe mason. I thought it was a pretty good and relevant response to the discussion. What gives?
To the post at 11:40 a.m.: I check this blog frequently, but I don't sit here and wait for comments to be posted. Don't necessarily read anything into the delay in comments being approved other than me being away from a computer.
sorry jimbo...we are just nervous that we are getting overly moderated. Thank you.
East Boston needs to set up a group of people who are aga1nts the cas1no and start protest1ng on th1s 1ssue before 1t's too late. Protest1ng 1n front of both tunnels w1ll grab med1a attent1on-D1Mas1 says resturaunts around the N.End w1ll lose bus1ness- starbuchs 1s settng up shop across the street from the cas1no- whats next McDonalds- the road way w1ll be overcommerc1ally developed by food 1ndustry franch1sees- d1scruntled gamblers w1ll stop at bremen st greenway and rob people for th1er money because they lost money at the cas1no. To Mr F1elds- Mr Trump-and the rest of the m1serable m1llona1res- screw you.
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